Friday, October 6, 2017

THE GOEBBELLS LIE THAT WILL SINK WINSTON FIRST

Joseph Goebbels worked on the principle that if you're going to tell a lie then you make sure its a big one because more people will believe a big lie than a little lie.

It is entirely a moot whether NZ First would have made it back into parliament had they not gone big on their promise to hold a referendum on the future of the Maori seats.   That promise was endorsed as a reason to vote NZF by the single issue group 'Hobson's Choice'; by Cam Slater's 'Whaleoil' and by individuals like ex National Party leader Don Brash.   

There is no doubt in my mind that single promise persuaded many voters to go with/stay with NZF despite their polling trajectory going south.

For the record I repeat the promise (taken from the NZ First website ... amazing it's still there) ... "Māori don’t need the Māori seats. They don’t need tokenism. That is why we commit to a referendum of all electors to retain or abolish the Māori seats".

Unequivocal ... we commit to ... yet within hours of the provisional result being announced there was Winston backing away from the commitment and attempting to muddy the waters by saying the demise of the Maori Party meant they needed to rethink the issue.   For c*********s Winston, honest up and stop treating the electorate as dumb.   Your commitment had nothing to do with the fortunes of the Maori Party.   It was all about the Maori seats per se and reneging on your promise was to facilitate  the clearing of the decks so that you could cosy up to St Jacinda who had already made it clear that the referendum question was off the table (as she had to).

This time next week we will have a Labour/NZF/Greens 'progressive' government and this time in three years (or sooner) NZ First will be consigned to the dustbin of history simply because voters will not forget or excuse Winston's Goebbells lie.


18 comments:

Alan said...

Well, I sort of go along with with your theory that Winston will go with Labour and the water melon party. The only thing that to me might negate that is that Winston is too smart or cagey to commit political suicide in going with that lot, as you say, doing so will mean the immediate demise of N.Z First.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Alan

Worse still, they are individually so incompetent that Winston might actually have to do some work.

Psycho Milt said...

...voters will not forget or excuse Winston's Goebbells lie.

At every election since 1996, Winnie promises what he thinks voters want to hear without having any great intention of carrying out the promises if they turn out to be inconvenient. If there are NZF voters who weren't aware of that, they must have been living in a cave the last twenty years. I reckon he's pretty safe with his motto that no politician ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the NZ voting public.

The Veteran said...

PM ... and that's reason #249 why I prefer FPP over MMP. Under FPP voters could hold the political party that made it into government to account. If they didn't deliver what they promised in their manifesto exit Stage left beckoned three years hence. Now, per courtesy of MMP, 'Winnie' (or any party in government) can get away with it by saying they had to give a little to get a lot except this time with the Maori seats such a sensitive issue to many people (with NZF making it the issue) I'm not sure the rhetoric will wash.

Anonymous said...

No, Winston will go with National, because most of his supporters are older conservatives and he will play to his base. I believe also that the specials will hold a surprise, with National picking up a seat, leaving the progressives in the dust.
Winston will still get dumped at the next election, the electorate are not happy with little NZ First having this much power. Yep bring back FPP, where all MPs are held accountable by the voting public.
Blake

Johno said...

Not sure about that Blake. Winnie's gone with both Labour and Nats in the past.

Whatever happens NZF is finished at the next election. Whoever he goes with it is going to piss at least 40% of his support off. Add to that, Winston's probably too hold to run again in 3 years and nobody's going to vote for RonMarkFirst or PornBoyFirst.

Anonymous said...

Former ACT MP Muriel Newman's NZ Centre for Political Research most certainly pushed Winston First on the basis he promised a binding referendum on Maori only seats to be abolished. With the hope that National's gifts to Maori that encroached on all NZers' property rights would be wound back.
Steven

btb said...

People voted for NZF to shackle National as Labour were not ready. No one cares about Maori seats. The Nats are destroying the country. Almost every public service is wrecked, health education infrastrutcure, pollution. The lies are hidden in detail and restructuring. They change the measurement and then the statistics will glow. Why does it take 2 hours to get to work for the same money for a mortgage $300,000 more than it should be? The population is in denial. A cop and a nurse or a teacher should be comfortable, they aren't. The jig is up people,

Wilbur said...

Milty is dead right.

Your Winnie Derangement Syndrome is dragging you in Vet. You should meet up with EggButtHead and David (who have Trump Derangement Syndrome), and form an encounter group.

The rest of us already know - all Winnie ever cares about is having a drink and root on tour - kinda like former NZ cricketer Chris Pringle.

Anonymous said...

I was fool enough to vote for Winston and now he is backtracking already.
Will the immigration bottom line be the next to go?
FFS, one man holding us all to ransom, what a system.
Bill must be spitting tacks, since he has five times Winston's vote.
MMP, what a loser system.

Rogernome.

Anonymous said...

I must of got it wrong all these years. I was under the impression that the senior partner in a coalition that determined which policies to push on with. If Labour or National decide that it is not in their interest to have this policy then they wont.

But then I must be wrong 'cos all posts here have determined that it is NZF that is backtracking by deciding on policy while talks are still in progress.

Lord Egbut

Anonymous said...

Nothing to do with nothing but too good not to share........brilliant for a mainstream paper........ https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/10/05/britons-get-easy-sex-brexit-whole-world-lines-screw-us/

Lord Egbut

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... yes and no. It was St Jacinda who said the referendum on the Maori seats was off the table and Winston folded and said yes sir ... thereby backtracking on his/their absolute commitment ... a commitment which, in my view, got them over the line and back in to parliament. And that was what the post was all about.

Anonymous said...

Veteran,,,,all will be revealed shortly so we can go back to taking the piss out of the Marmalade Megalomaniac. I the meantime I wish this young lady all the best in her new job, she is going to need it in a country with more than it's fair share of Dodgers and Adolfs not to mention the alt right trolls who will target her.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/07/new-zealand-election-full-results-labour-boost-and-first-refugee-mp

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Fortunately thee are more Dodgers and Adolfs than there are deluded bullshitters who live in disused U-Boat pens.

Anonymous said...

Troll Adolf DLT......At least I can take a photograph of my U boat pen, unlike your mythical house and unused lawnmower. You are probably one of those who participated in the online abuse of this woman. People like you hate her. She's erudite, extremely intelligent, in a position of power, young and very beautiful.....right out of your, and the rest of the trolls, league.

Of course we are overlooking the obvious...she was ELECTED just like your poster boy Drumph (37% and falling)...so suck it up snowflake, whatever that is supposed to mean.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

Gerald said...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-less-lovely-side-of-Snoqualmie

Gerald said...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-less-lovely-side-of-snowflake