Saturday, December 30, 2017

CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHO IS THE MORE GUTLESS

Lorde for caving into the pressure from the anti-Semitic BDS movement and cancelling her planned concert in Tel Aviv (but clearly still happy to perform in Russia!!!!!!) or St Jacinda for her refusal to front up to the Charter Schools community and explain to them why their children are being sent back to the State system which has failed them .. and failed them miserably.

I guess that only good things to come out of that is that Israelis will be spared the screeching of a rather unintelligent 'lady' who clearly relies on others to make up her mind for her while the Charter Schools community who, I would expect, would fall comfortably into the left voting demographic will see at first hand what happens when ideology trumps what works.    A whole bunch of centre/right voters in the making. 




46 comments:

Gerald said...

http://ppta.org.nz/dmsdocument/207

Noel said...

"St Jacinda for her refusal to front up to the Charter Schools community and explain to them why their children are being sent back to the State system"?

Got any evidence of that?

Allan said...

The reason is a simple one. Neither of them have the worldly experience or intelligence to actually make an informed decision based on actual facts rather than the hysterical rantings of various pressure groups. A classic result of being placed in a situation which calls for a much greater level of maturity than they are currently capable of.

The Veteran said...

Noel ... any evidence of what? That 'she' has declined all invitations to visit charter schools or that those schools met a demand that the state system couldn't provide.

There have been any number of invitations extended to 'her' to visit charter schools issued both from the floor of Parliament and from various schools. All have been declined. I guess it's pretty difficult to front up to a chartered school with an open mind after you've condemned them as the spawn of Satan. The coalition is proposing that chartered schools be offered the opportunity to reinvent themselves as 'special character' (read integrated) schools within the State system. Problem there is that they are then beholden to a system that has already failed them. If that wasn't the case then why the success of many chartered schools working with kids who couldn't make it in the oh so perfect state system?

One glove fits all has about as much going for it as the ill fitting suits mass produced in the Number 5 (Kim Jong Il) garment factory.

David said...

Israel is a rogue state, born in terror, maintained in terror. Lorde is correct to exercise her choice about where and when to perform. The government of Israel has been following a pattern of brutal oppression for decades.

Ahed Tamimi would not have attended. She will be too busy defending her home and family from armed thugs that roam the streets of her village.

The army came during the week too, usually before dawn, making arrests, searching houses, spreading fear, delivering a message that got clearer each time: your lives, your homes, your land, even your own and your children’s bodies—none of it belongs to you.

That army is a foreign, occupying force.



The Veteran said...

David ... crypto communist and anti-semite to boot. Stalin would be proud of you. Israel is not a rogue state. It was the creation of the United Nations and the day after it was created it was invaded by numerous Arab armies. It has been in a continuous state of war and near war ever since from countries determined to wipe it from the face of the earth ... to finish what Hitler started.

Not perfect by any means but somewhat better than most of its neighbours.

The BDS movement is a creation of Israel's enemies. Thankfully it is spurned by most democracies.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Yes, those Israelis are real bastards, David.

They pay parents a bounty for training their kids to be suicide bombers. They refuse to negotiate a two state peace because they want all Muslim Arabs wiped out.

Now, what other gibberish have you got?

David said...

Ah Veteran, exactly what I expected from you. Can you come up with a better argument than calling anyone who disagrees with you a commie? No, of course you can't, in fact, I bet you still check under your bed every night for commies.

Stalin would be proud of you.

Wrong, as usual. Do you ever read history, or do you just make it up to suit your biases? Stalin and Truman were the first world leaders to recognise the creation of Israel!

Israel is not a rogue state.

What would you call a state that ignores UN resolutions? That invades its neighbors? That claims lebensraum from the impoverished Palestinians? That will close off access to wells? I call it a rogue state, you seem to think it is admirable.

It was the creation of the United Nations ...

For someone who often claims historian credentials, you are yet again, let down by your acceptance of propaganda over truth.

It was a long, slow process of dispossession of the Palestinians from the Balfour Declaration to the declaration of war by the Zionists.

The UN had no right to make a determination to dispossess one people in favour of another. There is nothing in the UN Charter to support this. Would you accept the UN determining that 55.5% of New Zealand to be given to Maori as a separate, sovereign state? Because that is what you are asking Palestinians to accept. Well, that's what the UN asked, but the Zionists were not happy with 55.5%, they want the whole fucking lot.

the day after it was created it was invaded by numerous Arab armies.

Funny, but the day after Germany invaded Poland, the UK went to war with Germany. There was no difference, the Arab nations saw an invader and attempted to defend against it. Inspite of there being an arms embargo to the entire region, Czechoslovakia supplied military equipment to Israel, making Stalin indeed quite proud. I am sure you would have joined Stalin in cheering on the Czechs.

The BDS movement is a creation of Israel's enemies. Thankfully it is spurned by most democracies.

A fundamental misunderstanding of democracy. Those of us living in a democracy get to choose to support or not BDS and any other movements. A bit like the Irish Americans who funded the IRA terrorists, eh?






Psycho Milt said...

...cancelling her planned concert in Tel Aviv (but clearly still happy to perform in Russia!!!!!!)

DPF was peddling that crock of shit too. Russia isn't occupying and colonising another country, and no-one there has requested boycotts, divestment and sanctions that I've heard of. You might as well complain that she's still happy to play in NZ - well duh, what's your point?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Milt, you appear not to have heard of Crimea or Ukraine.

BTW your much vaunted BDS movement is not a 'movement' in any rel sense. It is just another thinly disguised campaign to kill off the Jews. Another lie so beloved by the left.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

DAvid, your bullshit machine runneth over. I suggest Vet has more understanding of history than you give him credit for.

My understanding is that immediately after the state of Israel was formed, it's neighbours declared war and invaded. The Ayrabs living in Israel simply ran away. There were going to be some bullets flying so they just melted away, secure in the knowledge their mates would win and they could then walk back in to Israel and take the place as their own which it never was.

Trouble is, their mates got their arses chewed off by the Yidds and retreated with their tails between their legs. So your Ayrab friends simply want to ignore the reality that they were CONQUERED by Israel and now want Israel to go away.

You guys make dumb and dumber look intelligent.

Those evil, murderous, lying Ayrabs backed a loser - just like you and Milt backed Hillary. Remember her? The bitch who colluded with the Russians to steal the U S presidential election and then tried to pin it on Trump.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

David, just to help you dyspesia, in the last half hour comes confirmation of what many have long suspected. The corrupt Obama DOJ used the fraudulent 'trump dossier' to obtain a FISA warrant for Obama's mates to spy on Trump and his team during the election campaign.

Nice friends you have there.

Waikikamukau News said...

Who put the spoonful of "fuck I'm an angry old cunt" in Troll Adolf DLT's Weeties this morning? I don't think the regime in the new nusrsing home is helping his moods.

David laid out a clear line of argument, all you came back with is your usual mishmash of right wing talking points on echoes of the fat slug Slater.

Your referring to people as "Ayrabs" puts you on the same train of slime as your hero Trump. Do you paint your shithouse walls gold, too?

I do think that Veteran may have an understanding of history, just the wrong understanding. I bet he still thinks it was wrong of the Vietnamese to defend themselves when he and the rest of his toy soldiers invaded.

Anyhoo, let's wait and see if Veteran can defend his position, I don't think he requires any help from a washed up wannabe thrice failed toss pot.

Psycho Milt said...

Milt, you appear not to have heard of Crimea or Ukraine.

I'm familiar with both issues, neither of which bears any resemblance to Israel's occupation and colonisation of Arab territory.

BTW your much vaunted BDS movement is not a 'movement' in any rel sense. It is just another thinly disguised campaign to kill off the Jews.

Am I supposed to take that kind of hysterical response seriously?

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Not at all hysterical Milt. It is not a movement. It is an antisemitic campaign aimed at the destruction of Israel. It has adopted the term 'movement' in order to ascribe to itself an unwarranted aura of credibility.

Like everything the left does, it is dressed up to kook like something worthy when in fact it is entirely unworthy.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

It was only just Christmas Day on which I generously invited all those who had been banned from my blog at No Minister to return, if they wished.

Te Kauwhaka clearly does not want to return and he won't.

David said...

Wow Adolf, someone's got your measure.

BTW your much vaunted BDS movement is not a 'movement' in any rel sense. It is just another thinly disguised campaign to kill off the Jews.

And yet they are not boycotting Jews in Europe, or Americas, Or Australia, Or NZ, just the Israeli Zionists, you know, the Jews who learned their trade from Hitler and are doing a damned fine job of eliminating Palestinians.





David said...

David, just to help you dyspesia, in the last half hour comes confirmation of what many have long suspected.

What's that? That you'd swallow any lie from the corrupt, thieving, Trump regime? You seem to have a deeper throat than Linda Lovelace, the crap you swallow.

Where's your link? Your evidence?

The Veteran said...

David ... if it walks like a duck, has feathers and quacks then it probably is a duck ... so too with my assessment of you as a crypto communist ... actually I thought you might consider that a compliment. Whichever way whatever ... if Israel is a rogue state what do you call the DPRK that you have defended to the hilt in numerous posts?

What do I call a state that ignores UN resolutions? Gueez, if I had to list the states that have ignored UN resolutions then it would be a VERY long list indeed ... starting with S/RES/4 (1946) on the Spanish Question which Spain condemned as interfering with its sovereignty.

Israel is the creation of the United Nations ... reality. Get over it. Whats done is done and can't be undone. The lobby who believe that Hitler had it about right with the Jews don't like it and neither do 'some' Palestinians. But Israel ain'r going anywhere anytime soon. I acknowledge Israel ain't perfect but then again neither are the Middle Eastern States who call for the destruction of that country.
For the record I support the two state solution which requires compromise from all parties. There is no other possible solution.

And finally and for the record Hitler invaded Poland on 1 September followed by the USSR on 17 September. The UK and France declared war on 3 September ... not the next day. Get your 'facts' right please.

And Lorde wouldn't know right from wrong even if it bit her on the bum.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

David

Go and do your own bloody homework. I'm surprised your Democrat masters haven't warned you to look out for Senator Lindsey Graham, no fan of the president.

Anonymous said...

BTW your much vaunted BDS movement is not a 'movement' in any rel sense. It is just another thinly disguised campaign to kill off the Jews....

Every single time. When people, nations, treat Israel and the Jews like adults, out comes the Holocaust card. Hot debates about Israel's treatment in the occupied territories are going on, by Israelis, in Israel. Not all think its wonderful and have severe misgivings about where its headed. So what's to stop anyone else having a voice? Screeching 'holocaust'is what. If you think Israel can do no wrong, talk to God. The bible has reference aplenty to the chooser just about wiping out the chosen and starting again with a remnant.

Mick

Anonymous said...

Waikikamukau News ..........I'm afraid your rhetoric has overtaken your common sense. Why do you feel the need to hurl gratuitous insults about in order to make a point. Given your quite stupid and erroneous statement on the "Vietnamese invasion" I am of the opinion you are trolling and have lost any creditability.

Interesting points to ponder......Why does David use US spelling? Why does Troll Adolf DLT promote Trump and his policies but never the the US or the American people. Why does DLT take delight in Trumps policies that harm Australia interests?

More questions than answers.

Lord Egbut

Noel said...

The evidence I asked for was where was your evidence that those currently in Charter Schools should be fearful of returning to the State Education.

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy said...

Waikikamukau News has given us some stunning information. Until now I was unaware that our 'Vet' had led the invasion of the South Vietnam by the North Vietnamese.

I shall look upon our multi talented Vet in a new light.

Was waiting for Noel to come out with his standard "Got any evidence of that? I thought not" but there are better things to do out here in the real world.

alloy said...

David said "Jews who learned their trade from Hitler and are doing a damned fine job of eliminating Palestinians."

According to the stats the Palestinians have quadrupled their population since since 1970.

Now given that the IDF usually do a damn fine job of winning wars, they seem to be doing a pretty poor job of eliminating Palestinians.

Further, if Lorde is going to avoid performing in functional democracies which guarantee their citizens rights irrespective of race, religion sex, or sexual orientation then she should probably avoid playing in NZ.

The Veteran said...

Noel ... have you visited Vanguard? Well I have and if you had and talked to the students you would know exactly what they have to fear about returning to the State system that has failed them miserably.

Psycho Milt said...

Not at all hysterical Milt. It is not a movement. It is an antisemitic campaign aimed at the destruction of Israel.

That kind of over-the-top packing of just-plain-wrong hyperbole into a single sentence meets the definition of "hysterical" pretty nicely.

Psycho Milt said...

For the record I support the two state solution which requires compromise from all parties. There is no other possible solution.

Wrong. There's the Israeli government's favoured solution, which is the situation we have right now: Palestinians remain stateless Untermenschen in Israeli-occupied territories, and Israeli colonists continue to settle those territories. They're not interested in any alternatives because the alternatives, as you say, would involve compromise.

The Veteran said...

Milt ... the 'Israeli' position ain't an option because it offers no solution.

Noel said...

You're missing my point. Where is your evidence that students currently in Charter Schools will have to transfer to State Education?

The Veteran said...

Noel ... read my post. If we are to believe the Minister (and Hipkins wouldn't lie ... would he?) chartered schools will be offered the opportunity to continue in place by reinventing themselves as 'special character' schools (i.e integrated schools) with all that comes from being part of the state system. If they refuse and when their contract runs out they're goneburger. No contract, no funds, no school.

Psycho Milt said...

Milt ... the 'Israeli' position ain't an option because it offers no solution.

From the Israeli perspective, no solution to what? There is no problem in need of a solution. They control the whole place, they're settling it with their own people, and they don't suffer any unpleasant consequences from that because their great-power patron ensures they don't. There's a security overhead in keeping the natives down but in the long run that's a sustainable cost of doing business. Believe me, there's no interest in the Israeli government in taking up negotiations for a "solution" that would be a step down from what they have now.

Psycho Milt said...

If they refuse and when their contract runs out they're goneburger. No contract, no funds, no school.

That's implicit in the nature of contracts, is it not? If your service no longer meets the customer's requirements, your contract doesn't get renewed. That was among the reasons people gave why this approach to education was a stupid idea in the first place.

The Veteran said...

Milt ... and the 'customer' is ?????????? Are you saying the students want to go back to a system that has failed them? Can't be that. Nah, I guess you're saying the State is the customer. Silly me, I thought the State was the servant of the people.

But I forgot the socialist mantra ... the State knows best and choice is a dirty word.

Psycho Milt said...

In any contracted service, the "customer" is the party that contracts to receive the service. In this case, that's the government. It's not my fault the previous government was so stupid as to take out commercial contracts for public services, and the stupidity involved was certainly nothing whatsoever to do with socialism.

The Veteran said...

PM ... tell that to the kids 'your' system failed. Everything to do with 'your' one glove fits all dogma.

David said...

Go and do your own bloody homework.

I did Adolf, and as usual I came up with the conclusion that you know not when you lie.

No mention in any reputable news source, not even on Fox. So put up or shut up.

Seems "the dossier" had nothing at all to do with it, rather loose American lips whispering into the shell like ear of one Alexander Downer, who then passed it on the Australian security services who passed it on the the US who passed it on to the FBI who said "What the FUCK?" and began the investigation. You'll find confirmation of that story in reputable news sources as well as The Australian.

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Dont you call me a liar, you lying bastard. (with apologies to Gough Whitlam.

You must be the dumbest useless bastard to ever attempt a google search
,

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Here's another clue.

It is on Fox.

Here's a little teaser for you.

"He told the host, Brian Kilmeade, that the infamous anti-Trump dossier was used in court by the Department of Justice. "

Now I guess you'll tell me he was referring to the Family Court.

BTW, Kilmeade is standing in for Tucker Carlson.

Anonymous said...

Troll Adolf calling fellow bloggers liars.....well I never. Is this the same DLT that lives in a non existent house sans lawnmower, has a grandad at the bottom of the garden who quoted poetry at Gallipoli and who was a marksman in his university rifle team. This the same Adolf who attends non extant air cadet graduations (I checked) where 15 year olds are handed pilots licences. I'm sorry but with the best will in the world a university education does not gel with the infantile cut and paste "humour" that he is so fond of posting.......he is a troll with no credibility and brings the site into disrepute and it is little wonder that the number of contributors has fallen.

Lord Egbut Nobacon

PS ..This extraordinary unhealthy interest in the minutia of Trumps doings are of no interest to most of us

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

And another idiot bites the dust. Can't even construct a sentence in the English language.

Like all lefty no hopers he can't speak for himself but invokes some mysterious 'us'

Maybe it's all that odourless 245T and 24D in soaked himself so long ago while he was busy losing his first war. Mind you he was just practicing for the second one he lost.

Anonymous said...

Veteran......State sometimes does know best. It's not dogma to suggest that a rail company CEO who answers to voters as opposed to shareholders is the wrong man for the job. There are too many examples of successful private/public ownership in Europe to dismiss non partisan state ownership.

Private ownership of energy and rail in the UK has been an mitigated disaster and the wheels are falling off the academy schools with shareholders interests put first not to mention corporate greed......the bottom line is that the tax payer pays for the failures.... https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jun/12/academy-schools-cash-cow-business

Lord Egbut

Adolf Fiinkensein said...

Just for David

The Senator Lindsey Graham call for a special counsel to investigate the FBI's use of the Steel dossier is spreading. Go and do another search. But don't ook too hard or you might find it and that would never do.

Impending doom is heading for your mob of crooks.

The Veteran said...

Egbut ... Public/Private partnerships work for me to but that's not what this is about. The bottom line for me is the kids, the kids and the kids. They matter. Chartered schools are meeting a need and it's the kids that are being sacrificed on the alter of dogma and that's nothing to be proud of.

Eugene Chignon de Croix Chaude said...

hEY Adolf, Lindsey Graham would sell his own grand daughter if it got him a few more Gorsuch's on the SC. Who gives a fig about yet another attempt by the GOP to undermine the rule of law? Oh, yes, those of us who like living under the rule of law, not the rule of a kleptocracy.

The closer the FBI get to Trump's inner circle the more the GOP will undermine what they once used as an apparatus of the state to maintain their power and privilege.





Adolf Fiinkensein said...

You're a bit late, Hot Cross.

Hillary Clinton already did. And all their yet to be born progeny.